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A Penn State fan, a Notre Dame fan, and a Michigan fan walk into a Taco Bell…

No, that’s not the beginning of a joke. Its a true story, one that ends with the Penn State fan saying “Urban Meyer….what a fucking joke. I guess we’ll have to root for OSU.”

And as I sat there alone (the two random fans having taken their food to go), eating the last of my nachos, I savored the moment, the nacho cheese with one hot sauce packet mixed in, for I knew it would be the last happy moment of the evening.*

Hours later, midway through the selection show, our worst fear was realized. The euphoric buzz of the UCLA win officially brought back down to earth by…well you know what.

(Also, a nasty hangover. That didn’t help.)

And seconds, literally seconds, later, the phone calls and text messages and instant messages came in.

To those that received a reply from me (which was everyone, including MY OWN SISTER and the person who literally JUST IM’D ME), please note that I am deeply not sorry for what I said to you. The response you received was spoken from the deepest depths of the bottom of my heart. My message was brief – a simple and blunt “Fuck you” – but its true meaning was “Fuck you, you fucking classless fuck.”

(Sis – I don’t really hate you. But seriously, don’t even think about trying to get in touch with me for a while. Your actions have earned you a ban from my life for the time being.)

You see, I’m a Floridian. Born and raised.

As a young’n, I never really had a college “team”. Like most other first-generation Indian-Americans, I didn’t have a parent whose fan-dome (fan-ship? fan-ness?) for a team, or even a sport, I could inherit. Not geographically tied to any one market, I generally went with the flow of whichever team was having the best year, or whichever team had my best-friend-of-the-moment as a fan. More often than not, this team was Miami or Florida, but for all intents and purposes, I was never a die-hard fan of either.

Then I went to college. I found my team, my loyalty, before classes even began. I became first and foremost a Wolverine. I went to almost every home game for four years. I went to three out of four bowl games during my four years at school (I couldn’t afford to go to the last one). But some of my closest friends, and eventually my own sister, would become Gators. And so even though I became a card-carrying resident in the Big House, over the years I also became an honorary citizen of the Gator Nation (Good Lord, that sentence was retarded. But I’m lazy, so its staying.)

I spent two spring breaks visiting my buddies at school there. I came home to Florida for two summers during college, and spent weekends in Gainesville every chance I could. I’ve spent more time in that city than any other city that I haven’t been a resident of, and I am closer with friends-of-friends there than I am with some of my own close friends from Michigan (if that makes sense).

I saw Florida State come play at the Swamp, and wore Orange and Blue to the game. When Michigan came to Tampa to meet Florida in the Outback Bowl (2003), I wore my Maize and Blue, but sat in the Florida student section.

I was touched by the end of the Spurrier era. I lamented with my friends during the Zook years, and was happy when he was finally shown the door. Every year, at least one of my March Madness brackets had Florida as a Final Four team, and last year, I cheered for them in the Championship game, and congratulated them when they won.

So that’s what makes this so hard. My #1 school being slighted by my #2. For reasons beyond my comprehension…

The “It Should Be A Conference Champion” Argument. An excuse for the pollsters to not pick Michigan. Nothing more. This argument implies that all conference champions are better than all conference second place teams. It hurts a team (like Michigan) for playing extremely well in a conference whose champion is playing even better. Furthermore, on the same argument, why not send USC to the game? Sure they have two losses, but they still won their conference. PLUS, they played a pretty tough schedule, beat their common opponent with Florida WAY better than Florida did, and beat their common opponent with Michigan almost as well as Michigan.

The “You Had Your Chance” Argument. This isn’t about how many chances a team has had. It’s about the two best teams playing for the title, regardless of whether or not they’ve already played each other. Florida fans, OF ALL PEOPLE, should know that. (If you are a Florida fan and are reading this and have no clue what I’m talking about, go lookup your 1996 season, then stab yourself in the eye with a rusty screwdriver. Phillips head, for a prettier entry wound.)

Strength of schedule? You might have a slight edge – but the difference is not enough to merit a spot in the game. Remember, your schedule also had a bye week and a I-AA opponent. Style points (an argument made in the regular season)? They aren’t a factor in the computer rankings (seriously, look it up, margin of victory is long gone). And while human voters probably do treat scoreboards in some regards, it’s not like you “chose” not to get higher scores. It’s that you couldn’t earn them. Shit, half the time other teams were giving you points. You didn’t win games. The other teams lost them.

In the end, these arguments in favor of Florida are ones that not even Florida fans would buy if they were on the losing side. (What would you say if Florida had beat Auburn, went to the SEC championship game unbeaten, but then lost to Arkansas? Would the ‘conference champ’ argument still apply, or would you still defend a title game berth the same way pre-week-15 USC (‘bad loss, but whatever’) did?)

I think what bothers me (and just about every Michigan fan) most is that after Michigan-OSU, Michigan was still ranked higher than Florida. Followed by the next week, in which Michigan did not play, and Florida (barely) beat laughing-stock-FSU. Michigan- STILL ON TOP. The voters seemed to be in agreement for most of the season that Michigan was the better team – but when the time to face the reality of a rematch came, they ran and hid behind bullshit rationale and an unconvincing Florida win over Arkansas. This was clearly a nation of voters who were voting not for Florida, but against Michigan-OSU. Any Florida fan that thinks that anti-rematch sentiment is not a significant, if not primary driver (we’ll never know for sure) for them getting into the championship game is seriously fooling themselves.

And yes this whole thing points to the flaws of the BCS. Blahbitty blah blah.

And while I’m pissed off about everything that shook down in the BCS, I’m ultimately more angry that these friends and family felt the need to rub one fucking hundredth of a point in to my face. They know how much I love my team. The lengths (literally) I’ve gone to for them this year. What every season, but especially this one, has meant to me. They’ve read every word, and there were thousands of them, that I’ve written about this season. My best friend from high school called me Saturday, shortly after the Florida win, but before anything had been decided. Both of us in loud places, not much was said and the conversation ended abruptly. But yesterday and today have come and gone, and I still have not heard from him. He has had the decency to know that I shouldn’t be bothered. (Or he just forgot, but either way, he’s on my good side). But the others, some who are ever so slightly more than acquaintances ….That they felt the need to text/call/IM and gloat at their good fortune, to hit me while I was down….it makes me want to [I can't even find words to finish this sentence].

(As I write this, one of the guilty parties sent me an IM saying “u know we’re gonna get rocked”. I feel slightly better.)

I’ve got to stop. I was up till 4 am last night (and its becoming a late night again tonight) my emotions preventing me from getting the rest that my body desperately needs. I told myself this wouldn’t be a long post and it has gone and become one. I didn’t want to rant but I did. I sound like a certain SEC coach (yep, I went there).

There’s nothing I can say or do anymore but try to be nice and congratulate them (both teams) on getting there, so…Congratulations…I guess.

And its only been one day, so I’m going to give myself some time to calm down. I’m not making a decision yet as to who I am going to root for. On the one hand, there’s Ohio State, the team I’ve been trained to hate. The team I hate to see winning. The Voldemort to my Harry Potter.

And on the other hand, there’s Florida, my second-favorite team, but the team sitting in the spot where I think my favorite team should sit. And a coach whose face I want to slam a pie into, because although a fist would inflict more damage, a pie would be much more humiliating. And of course, the fanbase I’m not particularly fond of at the moment.

In any other year, I’d root for Florida hands down, but this year, I’m not so sure I will. Part of me wants an OSU blowout, and another part of me wants OSU to win 38-30 (see 2003 Outback Bowl). And yet another part of wants it to be four point Florida loss, as kind of an ultimate vindication for all of this. And there’s the I-hate-OSU part of me that hates the first three parts for even entertaining those kinds of thoughts. I’d put up a voting thing here to help me decide, but truth be told, I wouldn’t have any faith in the results…

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Related link dump:
Johnny ponders the outcome early…
Turner’s thoughts
The Realests create a poll. Don’t they know any better?
To their credit, they also propose a solution
Brian thinks the world has gone crazy. He also says a bunch of other stuff, and puts Urban Meyer on notice.

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*Yes, I know. Eating Taco Bell yesterday was probably not the best idea, given the news of e. coli outbreaks occurring on both sides of New York City in the last few days. I hope I don’t die. That would be the mini-cherry on top of the regular-sized cherry on top of the sundae that the crappiness that is my life, wouldn’t it? Florida over Michigan. Taco Bell over me.

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  • KBo

    This reminds me of that time that Gore was supposed to be president and then Florida came along and effed it all up. Effin’ Florida!

    But seriously, sorry bout your team, and the Taco Bell. Both are lucky to count you as a fan.

  • KBo

    This reminds me of that time that Gore was supposed to be president and then Florida came along and effed it all up. Effin’ Florida!

    But seriously, sorry bout your team, and the Taco Bell. Both are lucky to count you as a fan.

  • Rishi S.

    “Motu, you’re a motherfucking Michigan Wolverine!”
    -Mark K.

  • Rishi S.

    “Motu, you’re a motherfucking Michigan Wolverine!”
    -Mark K.

  • Sumeet

    First of all…I wouldn’t have talked shit if earlier in the season you didn’t side with Shalin and root against Florida (you started this)…I have co-workers who went to Michigan and I didn’t rub it in. In fact I let them know that we are BOTH worthy of playing in the game but the system sucks and somebody has to get the shaft. Michigan is my #2 since I grew up there and I wouldn’t root against them if they were in the title and you had said something; so man up and support the Gators. They’re not the ones who screwed you over, your friends and family didn’t keep you out of the title…the system did.

    Second of all don’t pretend to be some class act that wouldn’t have left a message to your sister and other florida fans that would’ve said “GO BLUE”

    And fuck you for hating on Urban Meyer and calling him a whiny bitch. Lloyd Carr needs to get his story straight cuz Urban never knocked on Michigan…all he said was that Michigan had their chance and didn’t win their conference; he still thinks you are a top team. And with this stupid system; politicking comes with the job…Carr should’ve spoke up; he let his old-school mindset make the wrong choice there. Urban never begged to be in the game…he stated the facts and his opinions when asked questions. He’s not the coach you need to blame…why dont you trythe ones who actually have a vote…they are the ones who left you out. He and the rest of the SEC are in favor of a playoff even though we play 13 games a year to your 12; maybe your boys in the Big Ten will man up now that you got shafted and instiute at least a championship game and fight for playoffs. Urban is the next great one…SEC title and National Title game in year 2…Spurrier took 5. To further his support of the playoff and disapproval of the current system he doesnt plan to vote in coaches poll…because that is a joke too.

    Conf. Champ Argument: It should be a conference champ…Oklahoma shouldn’t have been when they lost the Big 12 a few years ago (another BCS fuck up). In a non-playoff system its retarded to have a national champion that exists in all areas except for one (i.e. the midwest). Yes…you rule all states except for this section over here…you are true national champions…give me a break. In college bball its okay because its settled on the court.

    Had your chance rebuttle: Get your fact straights about 96…there was no per say national title game; things fell in place just like they did this year when UCLA beat USC…see this link and read the post title “Truth about Florida-FSU rematch in 1996 season”: http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=155480

    SOS rebuttle: You serious about our bye week…what do you call Michigan’s absence from the field since Nov 19th. Again we’ve played 13 games to your 12. And you had I-AA opponent as well…difference is we killed iurs by 63…yours you beat by 8. Yeah FSU isnt its normal self…but you telling me if OSU had a down year and you won in their house…that wouldnt be a quality win…rivalry games are big wins regardless of rankings.

    If the Gators were left out I’d be bitching that we got shafted too…but I’d be hating on the BCS not my #2 team and other Michigan fans.

    Michigan deserves to be there but can’t…I still hope they kill USC in the rose bowl. I can’t believe I had to knock on Michigan even a little because YOU (not Urban) are being the whiny bitch.

    On Jan. 8th…do as you please…Gator Nation doesn’t need your support but will accept it if you want to be a part of this…cuz when the Gators win the title all of this will be a moot point cuz we will have beaten the team that no-one else could.

  • Sumeet

    First of all…I wouldn’t have talked shit if earlier in the season you didn’t side with Shalin and root against Florida (you started this)…I have co-workers who went to Michigan and I didn’t rub it in. In fact I let them know that we are BOTH worthy of playing in the game but the system sucks and somebody has to get the shaft. Michigan is my #2 since I grew up there and I wouldn’t root against them if they were in the title and you had said something; so man up and support the Gators. They’re not the ones who screwed you over, your friends and family didn’t keep you out of the title…the system did.

    Second of all don’t pretend to be some class act that wouldn’t have left a message to your sister and other florida fans that would’ve said “GO BLUE”

    And fuck you for hating on Urban Meyer and calling him a whiny bitch. Lloyd Carr needs to get his story straight cuz Urban never knocked on Michigan…all he said was that Michigan had their chance and didn’t win their conference; he still thinks you are a top team. And with this stupid system; politicking comes with the job…Carr should’ve spoke up; he let his old-school mindset make the wrong choice there. Urban never begged to be in the game…he stated the facts and his opinions when asked questions. He’s not the coach you need to blame…why dont you trythe ones who actually have a vote…they are the ones who left you out. He and the rest of the SEC are in favor of a playoff even though we play 13 games a year to your 12; maybe your boys in the Big Ten will man up now that you got shafted and instiute at least a championship game and fight for playoffs. Urban is the next great one…SEC title and National Title game in year 2…Spurrier took 5. To further his support of the playoff and disapproval of the current system he doesnt plan to vote in coaches poll…because that is a joke too.

    Conf. Champ Argument: It should be a conference champ…Oklahoma shouldn’t have been when they lost the Big 12 a few years ago (another BCS fuck up). In a non-playoff system its retarded to have a national champion that exists in all areas except for one (i.e. the midwest). Yes…you rule all states except for this section over here…you are true national champions…give me a break. In college bball its okay because its settled on the court.

    Had your chance rebuttle: Get your fact straights about 96…there was no per say national title game; things fell in place just like they did this year when UCLA beat USC…see this link and read the post title “Truth about Florida-FSU rematch in 1996 season”: http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=155480

    SOS rebuttle: You serious about our bye week…what do you call Michigan’s absence from the field since Nov 19th. Again we’ve played 13 games to your 12. And you had I-AA opponent as well…difference is we killed iurs by 63…yours you beat by 8. Yeah FSU isnt its normal self…but you telling me if OSU had a down year and you won in their house…that wouldnt be a quality win…rivalry games are big wins regardless of rankings.

    If the Gators were left out I’d be bitching that we got shafted too…but I’d be hating on the BCS not my #2 team and other Michigan fans.

    Michigan deserves to be there but can’t…I still hope they kill USC in the rose bowl. I can’t believe I had to knock on Michigan even a little because YOU (not Urban) are being the whiny bitch.

    On Jan. 8th…do as you please…Gator Nation doesn’t need your support but will accept it if you want to be a part of this…cuz when the Gators win the title all of this will be a moot point cuz we will have beaten the team that no-one else could.

  • Anonymous

    Wow Sumeet, thank you for your comment. While I don’t agree with everything you said, I like this a little better than the IM I got from you the other day.

    I’m going to make my response brief, because I’m exhausted from writing my post, from talking with other people non-stop about it, and in general, having it on my mind all day every day.

    -You’re absolutely right that I started rooting against Florida. I made my comments to you after the 6th week in the season, when Michigan, USC, Ohio State, and Florida were all undefeated teams. Of course I was rooting against anyone whose record could pose competition against ours (though I’ll admit, we wanted OSU to keep winning until they got to us). And I apologized to Gators for doing so (check your Facebook and the earlier blog post where it came up).

    -BUT, the 6th week of the season was also before your Auburn game. Since I had already declared I was rooting against Florida, I had my chance to slam you all. I had my chance to rub it in your faces. But did I? Did you hear from me? Of course I had conversations with Florida people about it after the fact, but it was never “HAHA you have a loss!”, it was “Let’s talk about college football..”

    Further evidence of this is one of my closest friends in this city, a die-hard USC fan. I’ve been rooting against them just as much, and he’s known it. But after Oregon State, I steered clear of him. We (Mich fans) even made it a point to not talk about our own team around him that week. I was supposed to join him for the second half of the UCLA game, but one of many reasons for not actually going were that I didn’t want to be near him if UCLA won. Michigan friends that were actually at the same bar told me they didn’t say a single word to him the whole time they were there. I still haven’t talked to him, and given the bowl we’re in, don’t know when I will.

    Don’t make assumptions about how I would have acted.

    -I never called Urban a whiny bitch. The quote at the top of the post was a random stranger, not me. And all I did in my post was compare my long ranting to your coach’s. “Whiny bitch” were your words, not mine. You also called used those words to describe me, which would be offensive had I not already made the comparison myself.

    -Yes it is a stupid system. But politicking should not come with the job. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should. I could have deleted your comment so my Michigan friends wouldn’t see it, but that would not have been right. Yeah thats not the greatest example but I can’t think of a better one for now. Point is, Carr felt that politicking shouldn’t decide who is #2, so he stayed out of it. Apparently shame on him, but I like the way he handled it better than the way Urban did. This game should be decided by how the players have played, not what the coaches have said. Voters should make their decisions by watching games, not by listening to coaches and media propaganda (even Florida has to admit how much campaigning took place on TV Saturday night). But of course, many of these voters didn’t see all of the games either, so thats hard to rely on too. More flaws in the system.

    -Conf champ argument. There is no rule for it, and if there was, it wouldn’t make sense. Hypothetical situation: Florida got its second loss before the championship game, or even in it. Would the argument still apply (not just for Florida, but for anyone)? Who would you send? Wake Forest, Louisville, Oklahoma, USC? (Please don’t say Boise State)

    -Bye week: A mid-season break is MUCH different than finishing a season early. You got to rest up before finishing (and yes I acknowledge that after Bama-LSU-Aub you needed it). Also, Ball State is I-A.

    -I am bitching about the BCS. And I know that you would be too if we got into the game. It is a flawed system. The only reason I didn’t write more about it was because the flaws and the need for playoffs are the only thing everyone of us on both sides agrees on. Carr. Meyer. Sportswriters. Radio hosts. You. Me.

    (Also, I’m not going to touch on conference championship games because I don’t know what side of the argument I’m on, especially with the Big Ten.)

    -This turned out to be not brief.

    -Last but not least, I don’t blame family/friends for Michigan not making it, and I never said that. I blame them for knocking me when I was down. I blame your caps lock and exclamation points over IM for adding fuel to my fiery anger over everything else that had happened. For pouring salt on my wound. And every other dumb cliche that doesn’t do justice to the emotions I was feeling. And I wrote about it all so you and everyone else would realize why I said “Fuck you” back to you at the time.

    Truth be told, everything in there about the “arguments” wasn’t the original intent of the post. The post was not supposed to be so much about what happened in the BCS, but me venting about what you guys did to me after the announcement.

    Seriously, reread the post, but jump from “reasons beyond my comprehension” to “and while I’m pissed off about everything that shook down in the BCS.”, and realize where my emotions were both outside of this post (IM, text, etc) and inside. That’s what the post should have been. The other stuff came out as tangents that were swirling around in my head. Stuff I didn’t need to say because dozens of other people had already said (see the link dump, plus articles on all of the major news sites), but I ended up typing out because it was therapeutic for me. Before submitting that blog entry, I actually thought of removing that section, but left it in because I had spent the time writing it. I’m thinking of doing the same thing now- of cutting out everything I wrote back to your comments above this (and maybe even emailing them to you seperately) – but I spent the time writing it, and if I was going to send them to you, I might as well go ahead and post them here.

    (Side note, I’m sure my rebuttals above aren’t the greatest, but I’m rushing this so forgive me.)

    I’m glad you acknowledge that Michigan deserves to be there. And I don’t disagree that Florida had a great season, but understand that its harder for the person on the losing end to give the same acknowledgments. I think you get that. I think you understand that you’d probably feel the same way. And I’m glad that you’re UF/UM the way UM/UF.

    In the end, we agree to disagree about how the rankings played out, about who is going to the game. We agree that the BCS needs change. And I’ve got to figure out a way to not keep writing about this, because I’m burning time that I don’t have.

    As far as January 8th goes, I still don’t know. OSU by +3 will make me feel better about this whole debacle, but Florida is still Florida.

  • http://www.amishshah.com Amish

    Wow Sumeet, thank you for your comment. While I don’t agree with everything you said, I like this a little better than the IM I got from you the other day.

    I’m going to make my response brief, because I’m exhausted from writing my post, from talking with other people non-stop about it, and in general, having it on my mind all day every day.

    -You’re absolutely right that I started rooting against Florida. I made my comments to you after the 6th week in the season, when Michigan, USC, Ohio State, and Florida were all undefeated teams. Of course I was rooting against anyone whose record could pose competition against ours (though I’ll admit, we wanted OSU to keep winning until they got to us). And I apologized to Gators for doing so (check your Facebook and the earlier blog post where it came up).

    -BUT, the 6th week of the season was also before your Auburn game. Since I had already declared I was rooting against Florida, I had my chance to slam you all. I had my chance to rub it in your faces. But did I? Did you hear from me? Of course I had conversations with Florida people about it after the fact, but it was never “HAHA you have a loss!”, it was “Let’s talk about college football..”

    Further evidence of this is one of my closest friends in this city, a die-hard USC fan. I’ve been rooting against them just as much, and he’s known it. But after Oregon State, I steered clear of him. We (Mich fans) even made it a point to not talk about our own team around him that week. I was supposed to join him for the second half of the UCLA game, but one of many reasons for not actually going were that I didn’t want to be near him if UCLA won. Michigan friends that were actually at the same bar told me they didn’t say a single word to him the whole time they were there. I still haven’t talked to him, and given the bowl we’re in, don’t know when I will.

    Don’t make assumptions about how I would have acted.

    -I never called Urban a whiny bitch. The quote at the top of the post was a random stranger, not me. And all I did in my post was compare my long ranting to your coach’s. “Whiny bitch” were your words, not mine. You also called used those words to describe me, which would be offensive had I not already made the comparison myself.

    -Yes it is a stupid system. But politicking should not come with the job. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should. I could have deleted your comment so my Michigan friends wouldn’t see it, but that would not have been right. Yeah thats not the greatest example but I can’t think of a better one for now. Point is, Carr felt that politicking shouldn’t decide who is #2, so he stayed out of it. Apparently shame on him, but I like the way he handled it better than the way Urban did. This game should be decided by how the players have played, not what the coaches have said. Voters should make their decisions by watching games, not by listening to coaches and media propaganda (even Florida has to admit how much campaigning took place on TV Saturday night). But of course, many of these voters didn’t see all of the games either, so thats hard to rely on too. More flaws in the system.

    -Conf champ argument. There is no rule for it, and if there was, it wouldn’t make sense. Hypothetical situation: Florida got its second loss before the championship game, or even in it. Would the argument still apply (not just for Florida, but for anyone)? Who would you send? Wake Forest, Louisville, Oklahoma, USC? (Please don’t say Boise State)

    -Bye week: A mid-season break is MUCH different than finishing a season early. You got to rest up before finishing (and yes I acknowledge that after Bama-LSU-Aub you needed it). Also, Ball State is I-A.

    -I am bitching about the BCS. And I know that you would be too if we got into the game. It is a flawed system. The only reason I didn’t write more about it was because the flaws and the need for playoffs are the only thing everyone of us on both sides agrees on. Carr. Meyer. Sportswriters. Radio hosts. You. Me.

    (Also, I’m not going to touch on conference championship games because I don’t know what side of the argument I’m on, especially with the Big Ten.)

    -This turned out to be not brief.

    -Last but not least, I don’t blame family/friends for Michigan not making it, and I never said that. I blame them for knocking me when I was down. I blame your caps lock and exclamation points over IM for adding fuel to my fiery anger over everything else that had happened. For pouring salt on my wound. And every other dumb cliche that doesn’t do justice to the emotions I was feeling. And I wrote about it all so you and everyone else would realize why I said “Fuck you” back to you at the time.

    Truth be told, everything in there about the “arguments” wasn’t the original intent of the post. The post was not supposed to be so much about what happened in the BCS, but me venting about what you guys did to me after the announcement.

    Seriously, reread the post, but jump from “reasons beyond my comprehension” to “and while I’m pissed off about everything that shook down in the BCS.”, and realize where my emotions were both outside of this post (IM, text, etc) and inside. That’s what the post should have been. The other stuff came out as tangents that were swirling around in my head. Stuff I didn’t need to say because dozens of other people had already said (see the link dump, plus articles on all of the major news sites), but I ended up typing out because it was therapeutic for me. Before submitting that blog entry, I actually thought of removing that section, but left it in because I had spent the time writing it. I’m thinking of doing the same thing now- of cutting out everything I wrote back to your comments above this (and maybe even emailing them to you seperately) – but I spent the time writing it, and if I was going to send them to you, I might as well go ahead and post them here.

    (Side note, I’m sure my rebuttals above aren’t the greatest, but I’m rushing this so forgive me.)

    I’m glad you acknowledge that Michigan deserves to be there. And I don’t disagree that Florida had a great season, but understand that its harder for the person on the losing end to give the same acknowledgments. I think you get that. I think you understand that you’d probably feel the same way. And I’m glad that you’re UF/UM the way UM/UF.

    In the end, we agree to disagree about how the rankings played out, about who is going to the game. We agree that the BCS needs change. And I’ve got to figure out a way to not keep writing about this, because I’m burning time that I don’t have.

    As far as January 8th goes, I still don’t know. OSU by +3 will make me feel better about this whole debacle, but Florida is still Florida.

  • Anonymous

    And as an aside, please note what a tough year its been for Michigan sports, and why this is somewhat of a “last straw”. The worst kinds of defeats are the close ones. We thought we’d get a seed in the NCAA tournament (a low one, but one nonetheless, and after everything that program has been through, it meant a lot), but fell just outside of the selection. We thought we’d beat OSU, but lost by 3 measly points. And then, one freaking hundredth of a point in the BCS. We’re lucky Michigan fans haven’t started killing themselves.

  • http://www.amishshah.com Amish

    And as an aside, please note what a tough year its been for Michigan sports, and why this is somewhat of a “last straw”. The worst kinds of defeats are the close ones. We thought we’d get a seed in the NCAA tournament (a low one, but one nonetheless, and after everything that program has been through, it meant a lot), but fell just outside of the selection. We thought we’d beat OSU, but lost by 3 measly points. And then, one freaking hundredth of a point in the BCS. We’re lucky Michigan fans haven’t started killing themselves.

  • Ragu

    Not only for U of M sports, but for all of us Detroiters. The Pistons gunning for 70 and being taken down by a one man team in the Conference Champs, the Red Wings being the top seed and losing to an inferior team in the first round, the Tigers expecting to cruise in 4 against the Cardinals and then blowing it, and finally a vastly superior (yup) Michigan team losing out to a team that was jumped us after squeaking past an unranked Florida St. team and an unimpressive win over a team that was ranked lower then them.

    Don’t throw the schedule nonsense at us. We went into 2nd ranked N.D. and beat them by 26. We played a top 15 Iowa team and owned them. We played a top 20 Wisconsin team in Madison and owned them. We played a top 25 Penn St. team in Penn St. and owned them and we played against the most dominate team in college football in Columbus under what can only be described as the most pressure filled, grueling circumstances and lost by 3 and could have won if not for one unfortunate Prescott Burgess personal foul in the final minutes (BS).

    Even giving you guys the best schedule, your loss was by more points and to a lower ranked opponent. Our loss was by 3 in Columbus in the game of the century. You barely beat 5 teams and had to come from behind in the 4th qr against a 1 win Vanderbilt team (pathetic) who we beat convincingly. When asked about who was the better team, Vandy said Michigan. When asked who would give Ohio St. a better game Vandy said Michigan.

    The bottom line is you didn’t upset anyone after we were ranked higher than you at the end of our season. You were expected to win your coference and still were ranked two spots below us in the polls. The only excuse is that your coach who didn’t even have the nuts to refer to us as Michigan but rather “that other team” chose to campaign for a berth. If Urban Meyer honestly believes that the two best teams cannot come from the same conference, or honestly believes that you can simplify our season by saying “that other team didn’t even win its conference” then he’s either stupid or has a pretty awful memory of its own school’s recent history. I’m proud of Lloyd Carr and our school president for not belittling the integrity of the school and electing to stay out of the fray even if the voters reward the whiners. Florida looked unimpressive in its wins all season while Michigan consistently beat its opponents by around 2 touchdowns/game and for several of them, without our most dynamic wide receiver, Mario Manningham.

    Bottom line is that if Michigan can lose by only 3 points under those circumstances in Columbus, we may not only be the “2nd best team,” but playing that game in neutral territory may reveal we’re the best. We’ll beat USC convincingly and finish two. Florida will lose to Ohio St. by at least 2 touchdowns, Chris Leak (the interception machine) will probably throw 6 picks in the process and will finish 3. Then I guess we’ll be right back where we started. Enjoy!

  • Ragu

    Not only for U of M sports, but for all of us Detroiters. The Pistons gunning for 70 and being taken down by a one man team in the Conference Champs, the Red Wings being the top seed and losing to an inferior team in the first round, the Tigers expecting to cruise in 4 against the Cardinals and then blowing it, and finally a vastly superior (yup) Michigan team losing out to a team that was jumped us after squeaking past an unranked Florida St. team and an unimpressive win over a team that was ranked lower then them.

    Don’t throw the schedule nonsense at us. We went into 2nd ranked N.D. and beat them by 26. We played a top 15 Iowa team and owned them. We played a top 20 Wisconsin team in Madison and owned them. We played a top 25 Penn St. team in Penn St. and owned them and we played against the most dominate team in college football in Columbus under what can only be described as the most pressure filled, grueling circumstances and lost by 3 and could have won if not for one unfortunate Prescott Burgess personal foul in the final minutes (BS).

    Even giving you guys the best schedule, your loss was by more points and to a lower ranked opponent. Our loss was by 3 in Columbus in the game of the century. You barely beat 5 teams and had to come from behind in the 4th qr against a 1 win Vanderbilt team (pathetic) who we beat convincingly. When asked about who was the better team, Vandy said Michigan. When asked who would give Ohio St. a better game Vandy said Michigan.

    The bottom line is you didn’t upset anyone after we were ranked higher than you at the end of our season. You were expected to win your coference and still were ranked two spots below us in the polls. The only excuse is that your coach who didn’t even have the nuts to refer to us as Michigan but rather “that other team” chose to campaign for a berth. If Urban Meyer honestly believes that the two best teams cannot come from the same conference, or honestly believes that you can simplify our season by saying “that other team didn’t even win its conference” then he’s either stupid or has a pretty awful memory of its own school’s recent history. I’m proud of Lloyd Carr and our school president for not belittling the integrity of the school and electing to stay out of the fray even if the voters reward the whiners. Florida looked unimpressive in its wins all season while Michigan consistently beat its opponents by around 2 touchdowns/game and for several of them, without our most dynamic wide receiver, Mario Manningham.

    Bottom line is that if Michigan can lose by only 3 points under those circumstances in Columbus, we may not only be the “2nd best team,” but playing that game in neutral territory may reveal we’re the best. We’ll beat USC convincingly and finish two. Florida will lose to Ohio St. by at least 2 touchdowns, Chris Leak (the interception machine) will probably throw 6 picks in the process and will finish 3. Then I guess we’ll be right back where we started. Enjoy!

  • Rishi S.

    ragu, law school has done wonders….

  • Rishi S.

    ragu, law school has done wonders….

  • Anonymous

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  • http://www.amishshah.com Amish

    heard comments weren’t working…just testing this out…

  • http://www.urbanmeyerlikeslittleboys.com/ Briggs

    I swear to God this happened …
    Monday was awful. Work sucked. Turner & I got home, couldn’t do much, kinda not really talking about anything, so we decided to go to a bar for wings & pints for the MNF game. We sat there for 2 hours not talking about anything but our mutual hatred for Urban Meyer and the BCS. After 4-5 pints, I admit, I did feel a bit better about life. So we pay the bill & walk outside (we were on Barrow St. in the East Village) … and a black Escalade is doing about 40 mph on the cobblestone one-way street … proceeds to splash the biggest dirty puddle I’ve seen in awhile ALL OVER me & Turner. As we were standing there dripping with dirty water, we realized that it hadn’t even rained since Friday. So, in all liklihood, we just got sprayed by a puddle of bum piss. One of the worst days of my life. I hate Florida, Urban Meyer, the BCS, and bum piss.

  • http://www.urbanmeyerlikeslittleboys.com Briggs

    I swear to God this happened …
    Monday was awful. Work sucked. Turner & I got home, couldn’t do much, kinda not really talking about anything, so we decided to go to a bar for wings & pints for the MNF game. We sat there for 2 hours not talking about anything but our mutual hatred for Urban Meyer and the BCS. After 4-5 pints, I admit, I did feel a bit better about life. So we pay the bill & walk outside (we were on Barrow St. in the East Village) … and a black Escalade is doing about 40 mph on the cobblestone one-way street … proceeds to splash the biggest dirty puddle I’ve seen in awhile ALL OVER me & Turner. As we were standing there dripping with dirty water, we realized that it hadn’t even rained since Friday. So, in all liklihood, we just got sprayed by a puddle of bum piss. One of the worst days of my life. I hate Florida, Urban Meyer, the BCS, and bum piss.

  • shalin

    THE GREAT UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, mother fuckers w/ the arrogance of notre dame and tradition of wake forest, seriously this is y UF fans cant be taken seriously sure UF got EXTREMELY fortunate this yr, but UF fans act like through history they have been teh shit, throughout history it was CLEAR they were the number 3 team in the state, but just because of the shear population of UF grads and there concentration, UF fans think they have this amazing tradition of exellence and have ONE SINGLE national championship so show for it.

    I mean gator fans beign delusional and thinking they have always been an elite program is one thing, the problem I have is that it rubs off and brain washes other ppl into thinkign the same. I’ll give u an example a friend of mine (who is female and therefore knows nothing about football) and I were talking and football came up. We got on the subject of teh gators, and she asked how many times they had one the title. I told her one, and she was really suprised. She responded w/ “really i thoguth they were always the ones who won” So I mean gator fans living in their own delusional world world is annoyign enough but when it starts polluting the minds of my friends thats a different story, thas personal.

    Its a fact gator fans are ignorant and bitch and moan abou everything. I am a man, and a honest and realistic fan, I will man up and say THE U did not play well and clearly had an absoutely horrible season, and got lucky to even go to a bowl. But when UF loses on jan 8th i dont think there will be one singe gator fan who is gonna say “man we had a good team but they were just out played and flat out beaten by a better team” gator fans just do that shit and thats y they are viewed as the most ignorant fans in college football. I hope UF gets flat out embarrased on the national stage so everyoen can see how wrong they were and that Umich shoudlve gone.

  • shalin

    THE GREAT UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, mother fuckers w/ the arrogance of notre dame and tradition of wake forest, seriously this is y UF fans cant be taken seriously sure UF got EXTREMELY fortunate this yr, but UF fans act like through history they have been teh shit, throughout history it was CLEAR they were the number 3 team in the state, but just because of the shear population of UF grads and there concentration, UF fans think they have this amazing tradition of exellence and have ONE SINGLE national championship so show for it.

    I mean gator fans beign delusional and thinking they have always been an elite program is one thing, the problem I have is that it rubs off and brain washes other ppl into thinkign the same. I’ll give u an example a friend of mine (who is female and therefore knows nothing about football) and I were talking and football came up. We got on the subject of teh gators, and she asked how many times they had one the title. I told her one, and she was really suprised. She responded w/ “really i thoguth they were always the ones who won” So I mean gator fans living in their own delusional world world is annoyign enough but when it starts polluting the minds of my friends thats a different story, thas personal.

    Its a fact gator fans are ignorant and bitch and moan abou everything. I am a man, and a honest and realistic fan, I will man up and say THE U did not play well and clearly had an absoutely horrible season, and got lucky to even go to a bowl. But when UF loses on jan 8th i dont think there will be one singe gator fan who is gonna say “man we had a good team but they were just out played and flat out beaten by a better team” gator fans just do that shit and thats y they are viewed as the most ignorant fans in college football. I hope UF gets flat out embarrased on the national stage so everyoen can see how wrong they were and that Umich shoudlve gone.

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